“What the Hell Is the Executive Branch Doing?” — Rubio’s Stunned Question Sparked UFO Whistleblower Bombshells
Written by Christopher Sharp - 6 May 2025
IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION whistleblower Matthew Brown has revealed a bombshell claim: current Secretary of State Marco Rubio, when a Senator, confronted Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, then head of the Pentagon’s Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) office, about a secret ‘legacy program’ allegedly running for decades without Congressional oversight.
Brown told journalists Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp that he read the transcript of the exchange while serving in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security - the office to which the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), formerly led by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, reports on administrative matters.
Brown stated the transcript involved members of the Senate's Intelligence and Armed Services Committees, including Senators Marco Rubio, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Elizabeth Warren.
According to Brown, it documented Senator Rubio pressing Dr. Kirkpatrick about a UAP legacy program, to which Kirkpatrick responded with vague answers and no clear denial.
Rubio, then the ranking Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, asked, seemingly stunned:
“Well, what the hell is the Executive Branch doing? Have they been running this for 60 years without congressional oversight?”
The exchange left Brown convinced: a monumental UAP cover-up has been unfolding within the U.S. government, hidden from democratic oversight.
Brown told Corbell and Knapp that his blood ran cold, stating he had “inside knowledge into the deception of our government by elements of our Intelligence Community.”
Reacting to Brown’s allegations relating to the transcript featuring Marco Rubio (which first aired in a preview for today’s WEAPONIZED episode), last week, Dr. Kirkpatrick told New York Post journalist Steven Greenstreet:
“That’s the biggest bunch of bullshit I’ve heard today. Either he’s illiterate, or he’s lying to gain fame. Either way, that’s not true.”
However, questions have emerged regarding Dr. Kirkpatrick’s past statements.
Brandon Fugal, owner of Skinwalker Ranch - a site long linked to UAP activity - has claimed that Dr. Kirkpatrick led a Senate Armed Services Committee briefing in 2018 focused on the ranch.
According to Fugal, before he began his presentation, Dr. Kirkpatrick said:
“Before we proceed any further, I want to establish and understand, all the gentlemen here, Mr Fugal, that you’re presenting to, are all very well aware of the reality of the UFO phenomena.
“So please dispense with any part of your presentation that would seek to convince us ot the reality, because we already know.”
In a 2024 interview with Steven Greenstreet, Dr. Kirkpatrick asserted that he had no prior interest in UAP before becoming AARO director in 2022 and denied attending any briefings related to Skinwalker Ranch or meeting Brandon Fugal.
Fugal then hit back, releasing a photograph purportedly from the 2018 briefing, showing Dr. Kirkpatrick in attendance while Fugal is presenting, severely undermining previous statements made to Greenstreet.
Fugal later posted on X:
‘Lying, saying he never attended a detailed formal briefing specifically on Skinwalker Ranch on April 19, 2018 to government officials.
‘Lying, saying he has never met me.
‘Lying, saying he had no interest in the UFO topic prior to 2022.’
Brown Describes Second Event Involving Mysterious Triangular Object
Speaking to Corbell and Knapp on the WEAPONIZED podcast (part one of three) which aired last week, whistleblower Brown described discovering a report about an alleged Unacknowledged Special Access Program (USAP) called IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION on a classified Intelligence Community network.
According to Brown, the program was tasked with tracking advanced craft of both human and non-human origin.
In last week’s episode, Brown described a striking account he found within the report: a large triangular craft materialising above Russian Naval Intelligence vessels near the Kamchatka Peninsula, captured by a U.S. collection asset.
Brown shared further details from the IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION report in the latest WEAPONIZED episode, which aired today, describing another incident involving a triangular object and a Russian vessel in the Atlantic Ocean.
He noted that this triangular object appeared smaller than the one seen above the Russian ships by the Kamchatka Peninsula in the Pacific Ocean.
Brown told Corbell and Knapp:
“It [the page citing the event] shows another Russian intelligence vessel at night.
“The image is green infrared, and it shows, above this Russian vessel, another black triangle.
“But whereas the first example in the Pacific was an equilateral, large, pretty stunning object that was of comparable size to the vessels below it, this was definitely smaller than the vessel, and it was more angular in shape and sort of swept back.”
He added:
“There was no indication that the Russian vessel was responding in any way to this ship hovering above it, and it did not describe—in this instance—whether it had miraculously appeared or if it was tailing the ship.”
Brown also described seeing (within the report) “images of orbs transiting from coastal facilities out to the ocean.”
He described the systems that captured the orbs as 'untasked assets,' meaning they were not specifically designated to record the events
However, the assets that captured two incidents involving hovering triangular objects above Russian naval vessels were, according to Brown, 'tasked assets' - meaning U.S. assets had been specifically positioned in the area to, in Brown’s words, “watch the Russians and the Russians' interactions with this technology.”
Brown also confirmed that the images showing both instances of triangles above Russian vessels were freeze frames taken from video footage.
Matthew Brown’s Career
Policy Advisor within The Office of the Secretary of Defense
Technical Advisor within The Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security
Program Advisor within the United States Department of State.
How Brown Reported the Discovery Of IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION to Superiors
Upon discovering the pages devoted to IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION, Brown initially had no intention of acting on what he had found.
However, that changed after he received training on 'spillages,' in which Special Access Programs like IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION were mistakenly made available at a lower classification level.
After learning the protocols for handling such scenarios - and aware that he was exposed and in danger - Brown decided to report the incident himself and shared the report with his supervisor.
Describing the meeting with his supervisor, Brown stated:
“I take him in [a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility], and he's like, okay, ‘show me what you found’.”
Brown added:
“The first slide, just because it's so generic, gets no reaction. But then going through the second slide, or even the third slide, he's just like, ‘okay, stop, stop, did you read this?’
“And I don't answer, but I just look him in the eye and look at the screen.”
Brown said:
“The conversation ended with him saying ‘delete it’ and he left the room, and we never spoke of it again.”
However, knowing his computer activity was likely being monitored, Brown said his superior’s response didn’t “sit right” with him. It failed to address his concerns about being exposed and the potential danger he faced for accessing the report.
Brown then took his concerns up the chain of command, reporting the spillage of the secret program to his supervisor’s “boss’s boss”.
Brown stated:
“I change my approach. I don't say what it is, I don't show it to them, I don't print it out, and I just say, ‘Ma'am, we have a spillage incident—I believe it's SAP material—could you please provide guidance on how to handle this?’
“And so, through that, I was connected to our parent office’s Special Access Program Control Officer. I had a meeting set up to go meet with them a few days later.”
Describing his meeting with the Special Access Program Control Officer, Brown recalled that as the officer scrolled through the report, they showed no reaction - except when pausing on one particular slide that referenced Lue Elizondo, who led the Pentagon’s UAP investigation known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
Brown told Corbell and Knapp:
“He [the officer] makes a very deliberate scene where he pauses on Lue Elizondo’s slide and starts guffawing in a very non-believable way and says, ‘Somebody's having a joke, you don't need to worry about this—you can go.’
“And that's not the reaction I was expecting. I was expecting to, at the very least, sign a paper saying this incident happened - reported, signed it—okay, it's done.
“I try to ask him, like, ‘Are you sure? Do I need to sign anything?’ He's like, ‘Nope, you can go.’”
Immediately after the meeting, Brown said he searched for the IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION report file, but it had vanished. And Brown was not convinced by the officer’s response.
After UAP whistleblower and former senior intelligence officer David Grusch testified about secretive UAP programs - including recovery and reverse engineering efforts - Brown began to reflect on his own experiences.
Following Grusch’s testimony, Brown had noticed “bureaucracies and offices behaving weirdly around this [UAP] subject,” and when he saw draft language in the National Defense Authorization Act aimed at protecting UAP whistleblowers, he grew convinced that “this was not under our government's control.”
Aware that his superiors were not being truthful about what they knew, Brown decided to act.
He brought his concerns to both the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees, knowing that Committee members were urging whistleblowers to come forward.
Brown described an initial meeting in which a staffer from the Intelligence Committee took his allegations and safety concerns seriously.
He was then told to expect a meeting with a staffer from the Armed Services Committee, followed by a joint meeting with members from both committees.
But according to Brown, follow-up meetings never materialised. Wanting to provide additional information, he reached out again. However, he describes being given “the runaround”.
A staffer then sent a blunt response, which Brown characterised as “you either send me what you have in writing here on this non-official channel, or you don't.”
Brown sent the information, but was disillusioned by Congress’ inaction to properly respond and protect whistleblowers.
Following the failure of the UAP Disclosure Act in 2023, proposed by Senators Chuck Schumer and Mike Rounds, Brown lost hope that allegations relating to any secretive UAP programs could be resolved constitutionally.
In the winter of 2023–2024, Brown reconnected with the Senate Intelligence Committee - this time through a new staffer who had replaced the staffer he originally spoke to.
Upon learning that no notes had been taken during his previous testimony, Brown decided to write his own report to send to Congress.
After submitting his report, Brown then met with permanent staff members from the Senate’s Intelligence and Armed Services Committees.
But still fearing for his safety, Brown decided to reach out to select journalists.
That’s when he connected with journalism team Corbell and Knapp, as well as Michael Shellenberger.
He sought permission to publish his report on IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION through the State Department’s Bureau of Global Public Affairs, submitting it for Pre-Publication Review.
Once his report was approved for publication, Brown permitted Michael Shellenberger to publish some of its details.
The official, authorised and full report was then delivered to Congress via Corbell - who also facilitated a series of in-person meetings for Brown with select Members of Congress.
