Why The Defense Implications Within ‘Skinwalkers at the Pentagon’ Are Profound

Written by Christopher Sharp - 6 February 2022

  • Liberation Times spoke with the authors of ‘Skinwalkers at the Pentagon’.

  • Amidst the headline-grabbing stories of Skinwalker Ranch and ‘hitchhikers’, are accounts that pose severe implications for global security and the fabric of our society. 

  • Appendix II of Skinwalker at the Pentagon provides recommendations for a future UAP investigative structure, which could provide glimpses of where the investigation is heading.

  • Studying the consciousness component associated with UAP may provide new quantum insights.

  • The Nimitz Tic Tac encounter of 2004 was one of the first cases studied by AAWSAP, and there may be a lot more to the story than first realized.

  • One or more of the Nimitz pilots may have suffered psychological trauma because of the ontological shock associated with the Tic Tac UFO encounter.

  • Pilots may be in a very difficult position, as reporting any adverse psychological or medical effects will mean a probable interruption in their ability to fly.

  • The authors believe that the UAP Language put into law by Congress will be ignored by OUSD(I&S).

The implications of the book ‘Skinwalkers at the Pentagon’ haven’t fully been grasped yet. 

Amidst the headline-grabbing stories of Skinwalker Ranch and ‘hitchhikers’, are accounts that pose severe implications for global security and the fabric of our society. 

The work undertaken by the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) will be remembered as the genesis of America’s modern-day Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) investigation. 

From the biological and psychological impacts caused by UAP, to a recommended structure for any new UAP investigation, we may look back at this book in ten years and find a treasure trove of insight.

Liberation Times recently sat down with the book’s authors, AAWSAP’s James Lacatski and Colm Kelleher, and the legendary journalist George Knapp.

AAWSAP Was A Hugely Extensive UAP Investigation

The AAWSAP team was composed of the world’s brightest scientific minds, with 75 years of research into UAP and more than 250 years of combined scientific research experience.

The team approached investigations by thinking out of the box, leaving behind the stigma and rigidness seen so much within academia.

James Lacatski, one of AAWSAP’s program managers, is a leading and widely respected rocket scientist, who worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency. 

The other program manager was the acclaimed biochemist, Colm Kelleher, who was described by Nuclear Propulsion Space Engineer Eric Davis as:

 “An exceptional practising scientist and program manager/director in the commercial/entrepreneurial space exploration industry and in life sciences and medicine.”

Kelleher and Lacatski, together with Knapp, commented that AAWSAP was extensive, dwarfing any previous UAP projects, including Project Sign, Grudge, and Blue Book. 

Speaking about the breadth of talent and expertise involved, the authors commented:

“AAWSAP had fifty full-time personnel; including PhD and MSc scientists, engineers, technicians, physicians, military intelligence professionals, database analysts, information technology workers, Brazilian, French, Russian translators, and security officers.

All were working exclusively on the UFO problem.”

AAWSAP was a big deal, run by serious professionals, and its influence can still be felt to this day.

Did The Book Influence Congress’s UAP Office?

Senator Marco Rubio - a key supporter of the new UAP Office

Whilst social media discussed the scary tales of Skinwalker Ranch, were serious decision-makers focussing on other aspects of the book?

When looking at NDAA 2022 language for a UAP Office, we could perhaps suggest someone with influence was carefully reading the book’s appendices.

If true, Appendix II, which provides recommendations for a future UAP investigative structure, could provide glimpses of where the investigation is heading.

We’ve analyzed each of the book’s several recommendations, which are relevant to Congress’ UAP Office and any new private UAP investigation.

  • (1) Three Experimental Divisions overseeing three separate UAP “Hot spots” 

    Although the new UAP Office will respond to accounts from defence and intelligence personnel, it is conceivable that there may be multiple divisions covering incidents on both the East and West coasts in addition to cases above U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) facilities.

  • (2) Data Collection Department 

    The authors suggested the use of in-house rapid-reaction investigators to study UAP incidents using the following criteria:

“(a) more than one eyewitness (b) less than 600 feet from witness or unusually large (i.e. aircraft carrier size) (c) physical evidence (traces on ground/vegetation), (d) electromagnetic effects, (e) physiological/medical/psychological effect”

  • Such criteria will be crucial for defence purposes, particularly regarding physiological/medical/psychological effects.  

    We have now learned from Garry Nolan about supposed health repercussions to defence and intelligence personnel, who come into close contact with UAP. It appears that AAWSAP knew of this connection long ago.

  • (3) Data Analysis Department 

    The authors recommended private funding whilst staying clear of government money, which could handcuff any investigation.

    Congress’s UAP Office is responding to a Government problem, as U.S. military assets are being harassed by UAP. Any unclassified reporting will not provide the public with a full picture of what is happening, due to the nature of protecting classified information that could undermine military forces.

    However, we could draw parallels between this recommendation and the Galileo Project, which will be investigating UAP using private funds. The project’s leader, Avi Loeb has previously suggested that any Government involvement could handcuff his efforts, particularly if it involves classified data.

    To elevate the issues caused by UAP, one option (as highlighted in the book) is to identify recently retired senior personnel from the armed services, contractors, and the intelligence community.

    Advocates frustrated by the United States Air Force (and others trying to thwart efforts) may find that new revelations can fuel media coverage and increase pressure on Congress to remove roadblocks.

    (4) Advanced Technology Department 

    Having knowledge of advanced technology in the possession of the U.S. Government and aerospace corporations will be necessary so that advanced secret U.S. assets can be ruled out in any investigation.

    This wouldn’t necessarily stem from any UAP technology, as according to insider sources (who claim the U.S. has retrieved UAP), attempts to back-engineer the technology have failed miserably.

    Furthermore, being privy to black budget technology will allow the new UAP Office to recommend countermeasures, particularly if UAP represents foreign adversaries. 

    (5) Consciousness Department 

    AAWSAP found a consciousness component involved with UAP incidents. 

    Recently, in an interview with GQ magazine, former AATIP Director, Lue Elizondo, highlighted potential incidents where U.S. pilots lost track of time whilst in proximity to UAP. 

    This represents a defense issue for the U.S., connected with pilots potentially losing (or experiencing a change in) consciousness.

    If a similar event happened to a commercial pilot, the lives of crew and passengers could be at risk.

    Then there are the scientific implications. Consciousness and its relationship with the quantum world is an emerging topic in science but still associated with ‘woo’.

    But perhaps the technological components of UAP utilize quantum physics.

    If that is the case, it could have profound scientific, philosophical, and religious implications.

    (6) Medical Department

    This recommendation is directly referenced in the NDAA 2022 UAP language. 

    The language in the UAP Bill provides a mechanism for personnel to report adverse physiological impacts. But is this enough?

    The book’s authors recommend the creation of a rapid response team of in-house physician-scientist personnel, who can quickly undertake tests and analysis.

    As AAWSAP found, there may be immediate and long-term side-effects to UAP encounters.

    (7) Integrative Research Department 

    This Department would amalgamate high-value information from the following departments:

  • Data Collection

  • Experimental

  • Consciousness

  • Medical. 

    This would be an important function if implemented as part of Congress’ new UAP Office so that senior personnel can be made aware of the most pertinent information.

Some of these recommendations are/or could be reflected in Congress’s UAP Office. Others could perhaps be used by the Galileo Project, although greater funding would be needed to provide the necessary resources.

Is There More To The Nimitz Encounter Than We First Thought?

There is good reason to believe that UAP represents huge defense repercussions.

Within the UAPTF Preliminary Assessment, it was stated that the phenomena threaten flight safety and possibly national security.  

However, something not mentioned was the potential psychological and biological impacts of UAP on U.S. personnel.

This brings us to a disturbing (although not extensively discussed) chapter of the most famous UAP incident.

The Nimitz Tic Tac encounter of 2004 was one of the first cases studied by AAWSAP, and there may be a lot more to the story than first realized.

For instance, more naval aviators may have encountered the Tic Tac than previously thought.

How many people realize that marine aviator Douglas Kurth possibly witnessed sea disturbance caused by the Tic Tac?

Skinwalkers at the Pentagon provides the following account from Kurth:

“Kelleher listened intently as Kurth described in measured tones how, about 30 minutes after being airborne from the Nimitz carrier on a beautiful cloudless day, he received a radio call asking him to investigate an unidentified airborne contact. As Kurth approached about 15 nautical miles from the reference point, he descended through 15,000 ft and saw “a rather large disturbance in the ocean surface.” Kurth emphasized that “the seas were surprisingly calm that day with rolling swells but no surface waves.”

In another account to Keith Basterfield, Kurth recounts being above Fravor during his Tic Tac encounter, stating:

"That's when they vectored Fravor's flight toward the Unidentified Contact. After a few minutes when my checks were completed, I accepted their vector toward the Unidentified Contact. I had Fravor's flight on radar and was directly over the top of them when they were visually observing the Supersonic Tic Tac.”

So why isn’t Kurth’s encounter more widely reported? Is there another side to the story we’re not hearing?

In 2017, Mellon seemed to imply that the Tic Tac was encountered by more naval aviators than previously realised.

After the Fravor and Dietrich encounter, Mellon described how more F18s were dispatched but with similar results - stating that as before, the “engagement” occurred in broad daylight and the “secret machine” easily evaded the F18s.

We know that Chad Underwood also encountered the Tic Tac, but one might argue that he didn’t engage the Tic Tac, as Fravor did.

Obviously, this is based on conjecture, but according to Kelleher, Lacatski, and Knapp - naval aviators may have also experienced health consequences due to that encounter.

Are Pilots Experience Psychological Trauma From UAP?

When asked about the defense implications posed by UAP, the authors of Skinwalkers at the Pentagon provided a surprising answer - psychological trauma. They commented:

“We argue that researching human effects of UFOs MUST also figure into the national security calculus on the UFO problem.

For example, supposing, for the sake of argument, that one or more of the Tic Tac pilots had suffered psychological trauma because of the ontological shock of the Tic-Tac UFO encounter with the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004, and that trauma, in turn, affected their performance in flying their F/A-18s (worth hundreds of millions of dollars), would that “human effect” not constitute a defense parameter that was of interest to the DoD?”

One former defense source Liberation Times spoke to has described how pilots can have a certain belief and swagger, which allows them to perform effectively in theatres of operation.

The side effects of trauma can potentially affect performance and general wellness.

Trauma can cause a variety of symptoms, including:

  • Denial

  • Anger

  • Fear

  • Sadness

  • Shame

  • Confusion

  • Anxiety

  • Depression

  • Numbness

  • Guilt

  • Hopelessness

  • Irritability

  • Difficulty concentrating.

If incidents similar to the 2004 tic-tac encounter are happening on a common basis, such symptoms may be rife among naval aviators.

Going forward, it is very important that UAP is recognized as a serious issue so that those who serve can speak freely and seek help.

We spoke about this topic with a Therapeutic Support Specialist, who wishes not to be named - she said:

“The psychology of UAPs is a frequently ignored topic.  Despite efforts to address experiencer psychology in the 90s by Robert Bigelow (who created a pamphlet for the American Psychiatric Association) and current experiencer support groups (including OPUS) it is rarely addressed. 

Many who experience an event have reactions that range from fear to PTSD.  And many, due to a fear of ridicule, have been left untreated. 

Though therapy is meant to treat symptoms rather than causes, many therapists remain untrained regarding treating those with UAP encounters.  In fact, due to the continuing lack of recognition of the realities of the phenomenon, the possibility remains that therapists may misdiagnose cases as delusional.”

The new UAP Office promises to finally shed light on this potential health issue.

If that occurs, then help can be made available. It has previously been suggested that service members have been punished for speaking out about their UAP experiences.

If such trauma is finally acknowledged, then we can expect to see claims from veterans against the Pentagon.

From missing out on promotions to being discharged - there are potentially many veterans suffering from the psychiatric consequences of their UAP experiences.

But what of the physical side effects?

Do AAWSAP Case Studies Reflect Physical Health Implications Felt By Pilots?

U.S. veteran John Burroughs experienced health problems possibly connected with his UAP experience

We have now started learning about disturbing health impacts from UAP, which Elizondo alluded to in his GQ interview. In that interview, he described how pilots can suffer from radiation burns and microwave damage. 

AAWSAP followed multiple cases in which UAP encounters were medically devastating to witnesses. 

The authors of Skinwalker at the Pentagon describe how a biotechnologist named Ron Becker had serious health problems after experiencing a blue orb enter his body. As the authors explained to us: 

“Becker suffered intense medical effects, including skin burns, hair loss, immune system dysfunction, and cancer as well as corresponding psychological trauma.”

Those are serious consequences, which could potentially be caused by some form of radiation. Whether there is ill intent behind UAP intelligence is another question though.

Other medical side-effects stemmed from a case in Georgia involving a low flying triangle that emitted a beam of light onto the witness, named Derek Jones. As the book recounts:

“From the front center section of the triangle came an intense bluish-white light about two to three feet in diameter that struck him for about three seconds. the witness turned his back and ducked to shield himself from the bright light. The beam emitted an intense heat that caused a burning sensation on Jones’ neck and shoulders. He quickly dashed back into his house.”

As a result of the encounter, Jones experienced lengthy medical and psychological problems.

Immediate side-effects included a severe headache, nausea, and weakness.

Days after, Jones sought help, still feeling unwell. It was then that doctors found a low red blood cell count and a growing number of non-malignant (but painful) lumps throughout his body.

Like Becker, Jones appeared to have suffered the consequences of exposure to radiation. 

When asked about the possible physical and psychological damage encountered by the Nimitz pilots, the authors were careful out of respect of the pilots’ identities and privacy laws, stating:

“We are aware of some biological sequelae of the Nimitz event but unfortunately we are precluded from discussing it, due to the fact that the medical data and details are embargoed under HIPAA regulations. We were strongly admonished not to break HIPAA medical privacy rules when it came to any military pilot or crew UAP encounters.

Secondly, the pilots themselves are in a very difficult position because reporting any adverse psychological or medical effects after UFO encounters will mean probable interruption in their ability to fly. This outcome would be simply unacceptable to most Navy or Air Force pilots.”

AAWSAP’s work plays a fundamental role in helping understand what pilots may be suffering due to encounters with UAP - something that Congress is also aware of as per the NDAA 2022 language regarding physiological effects.

If UAP is being encountered regularly, are pilots being warned about the health consequences, and are physical and psychological problems rife? That may be the disturbing reality behind the phenomena.

The Pentagon’s Continued Efforts to Suppress UAP Investigations

Despite its importance, the possible defense implications discovered by AAWSAP are seemingly ignored by elements within the Pentagon. 

The DoD’s response to the book was as follows:

“The public release clearance of this publication by the Department of Defense does not imply Department of Defense endorsement or factual accuracy of the material”. 

And the authors believe that the new UAP Office will be frustrated, as the DoD continues to obfuscate and thwart efforts.

When asked to expand on this belief, they commented:

“The location of the new office at OUSD(I&S) is a great disappointment for us and for many others. For people who have interacted with the US Government during their work on UFO programs, OUSD(I&S) has a history of overt hostility to UFOs as well as a well-earned reputation for bureaucratic slow walking on the UAP topic. In short, locating the new program at OUSD(I&S) is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

Unfortunately, our prediction is that the language crafted for the NDAA by senators Gillibrand, Gallego and Rubio that was recently passed into law that gave rise to a wave of optimism in the UFO interested public will be summarily ignored at OUSD(I&S) and the public will see almost no significant UFO data. While we believe the expectations of the public are set too high regarding “disclosure”, what they will receive will not meet any expectations.”

Obviously, with an Inspector General evaluation underway and pressure from Congress, those wishing to frustrate efforts have many battles to fight if they wish to thwart democratic oversight.

And if the UAP Office is wrestled out of the hands of the OUSD(I&S), we may discover some startling similarities between the new investigation and recommendations made within Skinwalkers at the Pentagon. 

Perhaps we’ll discover what few wish to acknowledge, not only are UAP real - but they can in some cases cause huge health consequences that threaten service members and national defense. 

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